Wednesday, December 19, 2007

Kicked out of the Wikicult

I suggested a while back that Wikipedia is turning into a cult. At least one other site has decided to run with this idea, although they seem mainly to be collecting links instead of actually putting up an argument for how Wikipedia is a cult. I got first-hand exposure to the cultic side of Wikipedia—or at least Wikimedia—yesterday. Apparently, my comments yesterday, specifically about the contents of Sue's email to the Wikimedia "internal" mailing list, triggered a very cultic response from Jimbo. Not only did Jimbo go around telling people that I'm a "liar" (without actually identifying what content in my post was a lie—behavior which induced at least one person I talked to be convinced that in fact what I was saying was completely true), but he also went to the members of that list and demanded that the person who leaked to me "voluntarily" come forward. (I asked Jimbo to explain why he called me a liar, but he did not reply to that email. He is, however, reading emails from me, as we will see below.)

Not long after Jimbo made his demand, I was notified of it—by at least three people. Jimbo's "plea" for the "leaker" to come forward is laced in moral condemnation for the malfeasor. He promised to keep the confessions confidential. Why he would make such a promise eludes me; clearly anyone who does come forward will be immediately struck from Jimbo's "trustworthy" list, which means that he or she will not be invited to join the "really internal" list that Sue has already proposed creating; this list would contain only "really trustworthy" people and formally require nondisclosure of its participants. Failure to come forward is painted as a grave moral offense: "Anything less is a moral offense against people who have trusted you." The whole approach and language used reminds me terribly much of the inner workings of some of the cults I studied back in the 90s, especially the use of the threat of withdrawal of the good will of the founder as an incentive to act against personal interest.

Upon hearing this, I decided to send Jimbo another email:
You're not going to get anywhere with your witchhunt. Multiple people leaked that email to me, including at least one person who, as far as I know, is not actually on the internal-l list. Even if you find one of the leaks, you'll have missed two or three more.

Internal-l leaks like a sieve. There's over 100 people on that list and lots of them feel free to share all sorts of information from it with others not on the list. This is nothing new.

All you will accomplish with this witchhunt is increase hostility, decrease trust, and hurt even more feelings than you have already. And people will still leak to me.
Jimbo's response was to forward my entire email, without comment, to the internal mailing list. In a normal environment, this would make no sense. In a cultic environment, however, it's perfectly reasonable: it serves to reinforce the need for immediate action and for the person who has sinned against the founder to come forth and confess his sin. Until the guilty party comes forward, all parties present are considered to share in that person's guilt, so the others would be strongly incented to identify the malfeasor and push him or her forward. Evidence that the leak is ongoing just amplifies the need for immediate compliance. Fortunately for Wikimedia (and for my plentitude of sources, as well as all the others in the community that rely on this unofficial channel to find out what is really going on in the Foundation), there are enough people on the internal list who haven't bought into Jimmy's cult, too many for Jimbo to credibly declare all of them untrustworthy. In a followup demand, Jimbo said, "I just want to understand who thinks that sending internal stuff to this person is a good idea... and why". The way he used "this person" just reeks of "disgusting slimeball that nobody in their right mind would talk to". It's quite obvious that Jimbo has declared me a "suppressive person" and is expecting others to act accordingly.

There's over 100 people on the Wikimedia "internal" mailing list. I've never been a subscriber, but I've been privy to a significant portion of its content, simply because people on it have felt that I had a need or right to know, for whatever purpose. I don't go asking for people to tell me what's going on there; people come to me unbidden and tell me. I'm not the only one, either; I often hear about internal goings on from people who, as far as I know, aren't on the internal list themselves. Wikimedia has a very powerful gossip engine, it would seem; small surprise, that. Ironically, the reason why there is so much unofficial communication like this going on is the gross lack of transparency in official communications from the Foundation. At this point, it should be glaringly obvious who is to blame for that, so I won't go to the trouble to actually say the name. The answer is left as an exercise to the reader.

Jimbo, just one parting request: can I please have a copy of my SP declare? I think it would go down in nice irony next to my Wikimania 2006 Speaker's badge. Too bad Wikimedia never issued membership cards.

19 comments:

  1. Incidentally, I hear the Wikimedia Foundation is setting up a fun little wiki-village in South America.

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  2. I suppose all this gives us interesting questions to ask the next candidates for board elections. If nothing else.

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  3. Good heavens, not more private mailing lists? My word, I had no idea this creature existed. The fun just never does stop at WMF, does it?

    Whoever is handing stuff over to Kelly, please keep doing so, otherwise us ordinary dumb bastards have no idea what the hell is going on. Our only reliable source of info is Kelly's blog, and if that flow of info was cut off, we'd be completely lost, wandering around, hopelessly confused, in an information blackout.

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  4. Interesting ... why was Jimbo stomping around calling for the leaker's head? Why not Sue, the person who's words were leaked? Jimbo must think he owns the place.

    Funny thing - Jimbo is obsessed with secrecy, but claims that it is "others" who are obsessed, Just because they request openness. Jimbo doesn't seem to learn, clutching more and more frantically for secrecy, which only makes people sit up and notice, and ask; "Why? What is it you're so desperate to hide, Jimbo?"

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  5. Obviously Jimbo's claim that you lied is a lie since, if you had lied he'd have no reason to accuse people of leading information to you since you would have just made it up in the first place.

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  6. On the one hand, the Cabal has a Siege Mentality.

    On the other hand, the Anti-Cabal has a Sieve Mentality.

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  7. The disconcerting this is, indeed, Jimbo's obsession with secrecy over this list. What is so unacceptable for us, the mere peasants, to view or even hear about? Open project != open leadership, it seems.

    *sigh*

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  8. I understand the need for private lists and wiki's, to an extent. But let's face it, we're not building nuclear weapons here, we're a project dedicated to sharing knowledge. Jimbo's fanatic obsession with secrecy is counter productive; it breeds paranoia and distrust.

    And when things finally leak, it too often shows Jimbo using back channels to avoid oversight when he wants to do something sleazy, rather than to discuss sensitive things that merit secrecy.

    I think the Foundation, and en for that matter, could win a lot of good will by having open lists, but with limited posting access. Anyone who reads the en mailing list knows it is practically worthless, with a handful of idiots posting hundreds upon hundreds of whining, self-serving diatribes.

    Instead, we have to go outside, to this blog, WR, wikitruth and the Register to find out the scoop.

    There should be a culture of openness; that is what this project is about, sharing knowledge. en should create an admin page where only admins can edit, thereby depreciating admin-irc. The internal list should have public archives. Sensitive things should be discussed on Sue's new süpre seekritt list, and it should be reserved for the board, the lawyer and a few more.

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  9. Hoi,
    Why is it that the people that ask for openness in these replies are mostly anonymous cowards ?
    Thanks,
    GerardM

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  10. GerardM, could it be because they are tired of your endless pontificating, sanctimonious drivel, and scathing personal attacks on the foundation-l mailing list.

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  11. Hoi,
    Why is it that the people that ask for openness in these replies are mostly anonymous cowards ?


    Because standing up for openess and accountability is likely to get you labled a troll and driven from the project.

    Pretty remarkable, when you think about it.

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  12. Given that he's becoming a liability to the project, why doesn't the community just initiate a movement to remove Jimbo?

    He's a board member only, with no legal control or right to the project beyond that.

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  13. Also, I think it would be hilarious if these mails were "leaked" to WR.

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  14. Moreschi: Internal-l is not really a "private" mailing list in the sense of the slimvirgin/durova ones, it's just like the internal wiki and the board wikis.

    And just like those wikis, it's regularly leaked.

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  15. Wales has no credibility left. He's backtracked, flip-flopped, smudged and misled everyone for months on all manner of issues. He's a lightweight charlatan.

    Pretty typical to find him resorting to the language of the scoundrel now: "Cult outsider asking questions = Troll".

    Wikipedia is a cult. Now it is a cult scorned, which makes it even more dangerous. Good analysis Kelly.

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  16. Well done Kell!
    It has only taken you 3 years to realize Wikimedia is run by a cult.
    Bra-vo!
    Maybe now you will stop calling those of us who've been saying so all along Cranks, trolls and paranoids.

    Oh and congratulations are in order on your induction into The Junior Wikitruthers Squad:

    http://wikitruth.info/index.php?title=The_Junior_Wikitruthers_Squad

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  17. Kelly:

    I decided to incorporate your comment about Sue into my Privacy Singularity wiki. I hope that you do not find that I was not too harsh on her.

    Andrew

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  18. You might want to review Nick Carr's coining of the word Wiki-clique to compare nuances.

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  19. There is something wrong, but sometimes real-life governance can help to fix it.

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